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Wednesday, July 14, 2010

What Would you Do? Wednesday

Welcome to the new Tall Mom Bloggy Pack Members!!! (and goodbye to the one that dropped off)...

Life is full of ethical dilemmas. You chose to act or stand aside, follow the Angel on your shoulder or the one with the red tail. Have you ever thought about some of the Ethical things that come through in Running, Racing, etc??

I introduce you to "What would you Do? Wednesday" your chance to give your perspective on things that come up in our sport. Play the Devil's Advocate, pacifist or bell ringer, it is up to you, but be honest...



SCENARIO #1: You are running a 5K race, a section of the course there is a repeat out and back stretch. The course is not well-marked but you know that more mileage is needed before the Finish. You head left to the out-and-back but you notice some racers head straight to the FINISH. When the awards are handed out you notice that some racer who did not run the full course are receiving prizes nudging out those who ran the full 3.1 miles.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

SCENARIO #2: You are at a Race Expo and notice someone with an over-stuffed bag, upon further inspection you see that person is taking 3 or more of each free sample. At one point there are a few samples left on the plate and this person clears the plate leaving none for you. You shake it off then notice the same person take something from a vendor that is not FREE.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

  • Pick one or both Scenarios to answer and BE HONEST!! It will be fun to see the approaches that people take to each Scenario.

HAPPY WEDNESDAY!! I am hoping to get in a GOOD RUN today, I missed my first run of Half Training yesterday do to an AWESOME lunch meeting and a sick Muscle Man to take care of at home.

35 comments:

Denise said...

#1 - i'd tell the race director that next year they need volunteers along the course ensuring this doesn't happen.

#2 - if the people manning the booth don't say anything to the person, then why would i? it's crummy but not worth it to me to say anything.

Cynthia O'H said...

Scenario 1 happened with me a few weeks back. I was miffed! As soon as I finished, I tracked down her bib number and found one of the race directors. In the end, she was removed from the timing results and not eligible for prizes (which she likely would have place for).

Scenario 2 - I'd probably let it go - unless I really wanted one of the last things she/he took. Then, I'd give the evil eye and ask for one.

Allie said...

#1- I'd probably tell the director about it and whatever they chose to do would be acceptable to me.
#2- If they are free samples and no one at the booth is regulating how many someone takes then who am I to tell them what they can and can't have. I'd be pissed if it was something I wanted and there was none left for me but I'd probably just grumble about it to myself like a crazy lady.

Fair Weather Runner said...

i'm pretty much a "let karma get them" kind of girl. no matter how upset it makes me, i usually don't say much and just let it go.

abbi said...

#1-I'd wouldn't say anything but would be angry about it.
#2-Wouldn't say anything on the free samples but if they were taking not free stuff, I might let the vendor know (discretly - I try to avoid confrontation at all costs!).

Emz said...

#1-I'd wouldn't say anything but would be probably vent to those I'm with about it.

#2 -- ehhhh samples shmamples. I'd let that one fly.

fun idea!!

Tammy said...

#1- This actually happened at my BFF's race a couple of years ago. Nobody complained until after all of the awards were given out, so the only thing she could do is monitor it the following year. I would tell the race director about it as soon as I realized what had happened, and they will deal with it from there.

#2- I agree with the other people, I probably wouldn't say anything about that. No big deal, it's freebies anyway. At a lot of races, the vendors have way too many samples and are trying to get people to take as many as they want by the time the expo closes anyway. (I'm usually there at the last minute, so I see this a lot)

Kim said...

#1- At first I thought I'd just grumble and complain and not DO anything, but I think the commenters here who would tell the race director are the right ones. That is what I would do. If I had bib numbers, I would turn them in. I'm unlikely to notice the awards - I never win so I don't stick around for them 99% of the time.

#2 - I doubt I'd do anything, just grumble. If I was in a particularly moody day, I might say something to them, though. I did get after a guy on an airplane who was using his iPhone during takeoff last week, so who knows. Sometimes I have more guts than I think I have.

(introvert!)

Deb said...

1. I'd probably send an email after the race suggesting they monitor it better. I know it would be better to confront it the day of, but I sometimes get easily riled up and I wouldn't want it to ruin the day for me.


2. The free samples I wouldn't say anything. The "sample" that isn't free, I would. If I was in a confrontational mood, I'd probably say something loudly to let the person know they had made a "mistake" since that wasn't really a sample. If I wasn't feeling confrontational, I'd probably mention it to the person manning the booth.

Marlene said...

To be completely honest, I wouldn't intervene or say anything in either scenario. I'm very NON-confrontational and tend to just let things be (venting to friends about it, OF COURSE!)

Sucks that someone who CHEATED was snagging awards.. it is unfortunate that people feel the need to do this since they are only cheating themselves. I would maybe send an email to the race director later to let them know, so that in the future the course can be better marked and SUPERVISED!

Angela said...

1. I'd definitely let the race director know immediately. A year ago I should have gotten first place in my age group but somehow the race director switched the times and gave me 2nd place. I was miffed and didn't say anything but I will from now on.

2. I wouldn't say anything. I'm more than likely the person grabbing as many free samples as I can possibly get but as for taking stuff that's not free, I would definitely let the person manning the booth know and then just continue on my merry way.

shellyrm aka jogging stroller mama said...

#1 I would have told the race director what had happened and hoped that there would be a volunteer to check #s for their next race. I would also have said something to the runner (everyone can make a mistake, maybe they didn't know??). I think most people want to "win" fairly so I would have apporached them with an "I'm sure you didn't realize attitude."

#2 Unless the samples said "one per" I don't think there would be much to do about it. Some people are greedy.

runkerarun said...

1) I honestly don't think I'd say anything about it. If they have any sense of decency, they won't feel good about having that prize and they'll take care of the problem themselves. If they don't feel guilty, they aren't worth the effort anyway. But I would send an email to the director asking for more course volunteers in the future.

2) Samples... that's a tough one. I probably wouldn't say anything, unless they were outright stealing. Taking more than one sample is a jerkish thing to do, but unless there are "one per person" signs, not much can be done about it.

Lacey Nicole said...

in both of those scenarios i honestly would do nothing.

the only time i have corrected a race director re: placement/prizes is when it was me who won an age group place, but they mistakenly read the results and overlooked me (has happened twice). other than that i'm not going to police course distance or race schwag. if i feel a race is terribly chaotic i will probably opt not to run it again.

Carly said...

For #1, I would let a race director know that there needs to be more signage or volunteers to ensure what I saw happening doesn't happen in the future.

#2 would really piss me off because I'm all about the free stuff. I'd contemplate asking the hoarder if I could have one of the samples he took because I missed out. Whether I'd actually do it or not is another question.

Middle Name Marie said...

Scenario #1 actually happened to me in a 10K last fall. I was supposed to get second in my age group, but they announced the top two winners as two girls who chose to turn around at the 5K mark. I told the race director (I really wanted my running store gift certificate..oh, and justice, I guess), and luckily, was backed by the real first place winner. It all worked out.

TNTcoach Ken said...

#1 - Mall Cop Paul Blart, I'd make such a scene that the guilty would give back their awards. No, I'd let the race directors know about the culprits and let them handle it.

#2 - Let it go and try to get to the expo earlier next time....

Irene said...

1. Ditto about notifying the race directors.

2. I'd let it go, as well. After so many races, you end up with so much stuff, anyway. I've been to an expo where the people at the booth couldn't get out of there fast enough, so they were giving out HAND-FULLS of their product when they normally just give out one or two.

Amanda said...

1. I wouldn't be specific, but would make the race directors aware of the "mistakes" people had made with the course lay out. Better to remain peaceful than to fight for an insigificant reason.

2. If the person were standing next to me, I would gently remind them that they needed to leave some for others, or ask them if I could have one since they had taken more than their share. If they were stealing from the vendors then I would let a security personal know.

Tricia said...

1. I probably wouldnt say anything right away, but would call or send an email to the race director after the event.

2. Yeah I'd be miffed, but just let it go.

Rene' said...

1/. I would let the race director know. This happened at a race I was in last year. I wasn't in a position to win anything, but I hate when people cheat.
2/. As far as the free stuff I would let it go. I think that the vendors probably need to manage their own stuff. Although if it was something that I wanted I might speak up.

Holly - Run Like the Wind (or Shuffle Like an Old Lady) said...

#1. I might email the race director if I saw it, but I would most likely not do anything right then and there. Unless I got fourth (yeah right in my dreams) because one of the cheaters finished right before me.

#2. I would like to say I would stop the person when the stole the non-free item. If I'm being honest though I probably would do nothing. I am just too anti-confrontational. I would think how crappy of a person that he/she was though!

Bethany + Ryan said...

#1. I would say something. Maybe the ppl in charge wld look into it, or maybe they wouldnt. Id say something out of fairness to the ppeople who actually placed and desreve their award. I saw a guy cheat once in a 5k, we had to run around a parking lot and he ran thru it, cutting off at least .25 mile. There were lots of ppl running and lots of ppl saw him. I yelled "cheater!" And others did too. He eventually stopped and walked and must have dropped out of the race.

#2. Hmmm. I prob wouldnt say anything. Who would i say something to? Like u mean go up and talk to the person? No way. Not that this makes it right or wrong AT ALL, but if it was a big company i'd prob just shrug it off and think, wow, that guy is a douch bag. But wait, what if that person thought they WERE free samples? Maybe they were just misinformed and didnt do it on purpose.

Why would i tell on 1 and not the other? I dunno. There is just something about cheating in sports that strikes me worse than stealing something. Yes, both parties in both situations lose something and both r harmed. If u knowingly steal stuff at an expo, you're a loser. If you knowingly cut a race short, win and accept your prize, well then you are FARRR beyond loser status and even if u did get caught, not sure it would make a difference. If you were low enough to cheat in the first place then ur prob beyond help. Sorry u got caught, not sorry u did it.

Michelle said...

#1 - I'm with many of the others on this one - I'd find the race director and let him/her know what happened and let them sort it out from there.

#2 - I'd be annoyed about the hoarder of samples but it's not worth my energy to correct the situation if the people manning the booth aren't. I feel differently about the taking of a non-sample item, I'd speak up and say something to the person. I wouldn't get into an all out confrontation but I'd let them know I saw what they did and give them a chance to correct their "mistake" before alerting the person manning the booth.

Lisa said...

Hmm. In situation 2, I would hope that I'd say something. But, that would probably depend on my mood at the time and how intimidating or stand-offish the person looked. The people at the booth probably would not say anything because they don't want to piss anyone off, even though pissing one person off might mean making many others happy with their free sample!

Glad to hear you had a successful lunch meeting yesterday! Must have been a great feeling!

Molly said...

Knowing me, with #1, I would say something to the race organizers, otherwise it would just drive me nuts.

#2, I'd probably say something like "Dude! Leave some for the rest of us!" lighthearted, but to the point.

btw, I have a non running giveaway that the little studs might like!

ajh said...

This is not about the scenarios. Just want to say THANKS I just got my handheld bottle! I am going to try it out tomorrow. It is in my fridge getting nice and cold now. I have been wanting one of these! Yeah! Thanks so much!!!!

I had to laugh. There were some goldfish in the package. Little Studs helping you pack it??

J said...

I don't know if I would say anything. I would definitely complain about it and grumble but I don't confront people much. I may possibly say something to the race director or expo people but other than that, I would just move on.

The CilleyGirl said...

#1 -- I'd notify the race director. If I had bib numbers, I'd pass those along, together with a suggestion to improve course marking if that was part of the problem.

#2 -- On the free sample, if it was something I wanted I'd ask the person if I could have one since they had one to spare. On the not-free sample I'd say to that person "I didn't realize they were giving those away too." If they didn't know, no harm no foul. If they did know, it's up to them to continue to be a schmuck or to be honest. I've been in several situations where I thought something was free, although I always ask first just to be sure.

Yep, I'm all about confrontation. Cuts down on the stress from stewing about it later, and if it was an honest mistake then you (and they) get karma brownie points for rectifying it.

suzy said...

#1 - I would tell the organizers of the race. Without hesitation, heck yes I would. Even if it didn't make me an age group winner, it unfairly knocked others out. It's only fair that everyone runs all the steps.

#2 - Would say nothing - I think that one is a 'not my place' kinda thing. If the vendor doesn't mind, probably none of my beeswax.

Melissa said...

I'd probably say nothing about either when it happened.
However, I would probably email the race director or something to clue them in later.

Erika Bradford said...

#1-Depends who I am with. If I am alone, I would probably say nothing and whine behind the scenes. If I am with my sisters, well, I am a loud mouth. I would call out, "hold up, hold up, you still got some running to do". I would hope they failed to realize they didn't run what they were suppose too.
#2-ughhhhh again it depends who I am with. Same thing, "oOooooooOOoooo damn, you be liken yourself some samples!" Again, I am not sure if I would. Now if I happen to be intoxicated, well then most definitely. But since that would have been the night before the run, that scenario is highly unlikely.

Lisa said...

I've seen #1 happen a few times. I think the best thing to do is tell the RD because clearly more volunteers are needed to mark the course.

I wouldn't expect anything to change wrt to the results though. It becomes a bit of "he said, she said".

Jen said...

#1: I think I would go to the race director afterwards and let them know what happened. I would not call out the "winners" but so they can make the changes next time.

#2: I would say something like: "Wow, I thought I was needy by taking every free item offered, but to take 3 - you are really needed. I hope you are sending those to the homeless... especially that XXXX that wasn't free.

5 Miles 2 Empty said...

#2: Totally depends on the Freebee! if it is something totally cool that I woudl like to have one of I might ask for one or say, "Hey, mind if I take just one?" "No? Really? Ok, that's cool you probably need 27 tubes of Aflac chap stick.I see your lips are gross and cracking...." and walk away. =)